http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#979bd2d3-672d-4de8-b516-b4fcee54b079 I'll have to echo Rene on this one, as an engineering geologist with 20 years experience dealing with soil and rock stratigraphy, I've never seen ANYTHING that would make me consider the biblical myth of Noah. Creationism/Intelligent Design/Anti-Evolution is all the same.....secondhand drivel postulated and promoted by fundamentalists who let their faith interfere with their reason. Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:07:08 GMT http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#979bd2d3-672d-4de8-b516-b4fcee54b079 Rhino 2009-04-14T06:07:08Z http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#04cded3f-a2fc-411f-ad6d-72d251b4ccfd I thought Noachian was an older term, contemporaneous with the four humors, bleeding to cure fevers, and tasting pee to determine a patient's ailment. I thought I read something about pre-Enlightenment scientists (I suppose they were called natural philosophers back then) having fits trying to explain how all Europe's sed strata formed during the Noachian Inundation. Even with their primitive instrumentation they knew the evidence didn't square with the myth. Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:25:40 GMT http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#04cded3f-a2fc-411f-ad6d-72d251b4ccfd Inaras 2009-04-13T23:25:40Z http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#7dc1f8d1-2093-4bdb-b35c-7be0f153c26a Thanos, One would hope that would be the case. Unfortunately it isn't. One of the web sites I'm continually monitoring is the site Creation in Genesis which masks its creationist mythology in a veil of faux scientific legitimacy. They've even invented a new term for the flood myth ('Noachian' or 'Noachian inundation') There's some pretty phenomenal examples of contempt towards real science and the scientific method. Make sure you wear high boots before wondering into this sort of intellectual offal. http://www.answersingenesis.org/arj/ Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:07:09 GMT http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#7dc1f8d1-2093-4bdb-b35c-7be0f153c26a Badger 2009-04-13T17:07:09Z http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#821700cf-38d3-48f1-9a65-c97521d8c5bc Instead of trying to taylor evidence to their crazy ideas, they should find the evidence, and wherever it leads, so be it. Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:51:44 GMT http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#821700cf-38d3-48f1-9a65-c97521d8c5bc Thanos 2009-04-13T15:51:44Z http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#df655fd9-8e50-4f04-bb4a-c863354b2ee6 Thank you Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:48:02 GMT http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#df655fd9-8e50-4f04-bb4a-c863354b2ee6 Thanos 2009-04-13T15:48:02Z http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#ee54c3ca-89cf-404d-a842-18ebebceb7d6 >>"if there is a shred of it anyone knows about, i'd like to hear it."<< I have a Master's degree in geology/sedimentology and have worked in the oil industry as a geologist for over thirty years. In my experience there is no sedimentary record of a global flood, as described in the bible. I do not not believe that if there had been such a flood there would necessarily be any record of it. Simply covering the earth with water is not likely to erode or transport very much sediment in one year's time. The strongest signal might be a layer of mud stirred up and settled out all over the planet, but this is likely to be thin and quite likely to be reworked by sedimentary processes after the flood ended. The same would be true for any coarser grained deposits. Hurricanes can stir up lots of sediment and move and deposit a lot, but longer term coastal processes will rework all this and over time any evidences of hurricanes tend to disappear or blend in with the sediments formed by hurricanes. The same would be true of a global flood. Young Earth Creationists have created something they call flood geology which essentially attempts to explain all sedimentary deposits as the result of Noah's flood. This is probably the most absurd set of ideas ever conceived, as there are no geologic deposits that fit the global flood model and the vast array of different sedimentary deposits we know about cannot be explained in even the remotest way by these models. Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:23:13 GMT http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#ee54c3ca-89cf-404d-a842-18ebebceb7d6 Rene 2009-04-12T21:23:13Z http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#27f593e2-6847-4b9f-88d8-73606d3cdec4 Shouldn't be hard to find, and hard not to find is basically the same thing, so we agree. I am going to post a topic about ( in the science vs religion tribe) where is all this evidence that should be everywhere, if this did indeed happen. I pretty much knew there was none, but I wanted to ask some people more knowledgable in geology than me before I start talking smack. It's not going to make one whit of difference to the religion side, because they pretty much pooh pooh any evidence, no matter how strong, on any subject that doesn't agree with their position. Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:40:12 GMT http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#27f593e2-6847-4b9f-88d8-73606d3cdec4 Thanos 2009-04-11T19:40:12Z http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#734ed27c-9eaf-403e-b390-3df70bdf415a Please excuse my baseless assumption. I should have said 'Well put, madam.' Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:50:17 GMT http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#734ed27c-9eaf-403e-b390-3df70bdf415a Badger 2009-04-11T18:50:17Z http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#eb61179f-d53f-4b77-9412-755e0d57686b "It should be hard NOT to find it. " No, it shouldn't be hard to find it if such evidence did indeed exist. The lack of such evidence is pretty deafening except to those who would insist on such fairy tales being true. Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:48:04 GMT http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#eb61179f-d53f-4b77-9412-755e0d57686b Badger 2009-04-11T18:48:04Z http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#da402212-44ef-403e-b015-e68e1f745299 "There's some geologic evidence for a rapid filling of the Black Sea via the Bosporus in the early Holocene. Megafloods have also occurred such as the ones that created the Channeled Scablands of the NW USA. Large amounts of coastal land such as Doggerland and Beringia were also submerged as sea levels rose after the last termination. Of course none of this is evidence for the Biblical Flood any more than dating an eruption of Santorini to the time of the Sea Peoples is evidence for the existence of Plato's Atlantis.' Well put, sir. Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:44:52 GMT http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#da402212-44ef-403e-b015-e68e1f745299 Badger 2009-04-11T18:44:52Z http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#1a0e0031-617d-4256-a1f9-284c1da3ea1c I always figured if there was any truth to it, it was a localized event. If it happened worldwide there should be evidence of it everywhere. It should be hard NOT to find it. Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:20:52 GMT http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#1a0e0031-617d-4256-a1f9-284c1da3ea1c Thanos 2009-04-10T12:20:52Z http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#091c41c4-eaf1-4610-8557-46865d49f833 There's some geologic evidence for a rapid filling of the Black Sea via the Bosporus in the early Holocene. Megafloods have also occurred such as the ones that created the Channeled Scablands of the NW USA. Large amounts of coastal land such as Doggerland and Beringia were also submerged as sea levels rose after the last termination. Of course none of this is evidence for the Biblical Flood any more than dating an eruption of Santorini to the time of the Sea Peoples is evidence for the existence of Plato's Atlantis. The stories themselves are myths--explanatory narratives meant to communicate cultural values. Myths by their nature can't be proved since they trade in moral concepts as opposed to material truth. So, lots of geologic evidence for megafloods and rising sea levels, no evidence for a forty day global flood as described in Genesis. Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:03:49 GMT http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#091c41c4-eaf1-4610-8557-46865d49f833 Inaras 2009-04-09T23:03:49Z http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#41297a4d-8518-4ad2-9c65-46d7c775709e I'm the Moderator for the Science Vs religion tribe. I seriously doubt there is any evidence of this, but if there is a shred of it anyone knows about, i'd like to hear it. Thanks-t Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:41:38 GMT http://geologygeeks.tribe.net/thread/d54055ad-2e5a-4352-b3bf-b3608164c90e#41297a4d-8518-4ad2-9c65-46d7c775709e Thanos 2009-04-09T20:41:38Z