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I'm the Moderator for the Science Vs religion tribe. I seriously doubt there is any evidence of this, but if there is a shred of it anyone knows about, i'd like to hear it.
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Re: Geologic Evidence for a Biblical Flood
Thu, April 9, 2009 - 4:03 PMThere's some geologic evidence for a rapid filling of the Black Sea via the Bosporus in the early Holocene. Megafloods have also occurred such as the ones that created the Channeled Scablands of the NW USA. Large amounts of coastal land such as Doggerland and Beringia were also submerged as sea levels rose after the last termination. Of course none of this is evidence for the Biblical Flood any more than dating an eruption of Santorini to the time of the Sea Peoples is evidence for the existence of Plato's Atlantis. The stories themselves are myths--explanatory narratives meant to communicate cultural values. Myths by their nature can't be proved since they trade in moral concepts as opposed to material truth. So, lots of geologic evidence for megafloods and rising sea levels, no evidence for a forty day global flood as described in Genesis. -
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Re: Geologic Evidence for a Biblical Flood
Fri, April 10, 2009 - 5:20 AMI always figured if there was any truth to it, it was a localized event. If it happened worldwide there should be evidence of it everywhere. It should be hard NOT to find it. -
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Re: Geologic Evidence for a Biblical Flood
Sat, April 11, 2009 - 11:48 AM"It should be hard NOT to find it. "
No, it shouldn't be hard to find it if such evidence did indeed exist.
The lack of such evidence is pretty deafening except to those who would insist on such fairy tales being true.
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Re: Geologic Evidence for a Biblical Flood
Sat, April 11, 2009 - 11:44 AM"There's some geologic evidence for a rapid filling of the Black Sea via the Bosporus in the early Holocene. Megafloods have also occurred such as the ones that created the Channeled Scablands of the NW USA. Large amounts of coastal land such as Doggerland and Beringia were also submerged as sea levels rose after the last termination. Of course none of this is evidence for the Biblical Flood any more than dating an eruption of Santorini to the time of the Sea Peoples is evidence for the existence of Plato's Atlantis.'
Well put, sir. -
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Re: Geologic Evidence for a Biblical Flood
Sat, April 11, 2009 - 11:50 AMPlease excuse my baseless assumption.
I should have said 'Well put, madam.' -
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Re: Geologic Evidence for a Biblical Flood
Sat, April 11, 2009 - 12:40 PMShouldn't be hard to find, and hard not to find is basically the same thing, so we agree. I am going to post a topic about ( in the science vs religion tribe) where is all this evidence that should be everywhere, if this did indeed happen. I pretty much knew there was none, but I wanted to ask some people more knowledgable in geology than me before I start talking smack. It's not going to make one whit of difference to the religion side, because they pretty much pooh pooh any evidence, no matter how strong, on any subject that doesn't agree with their position.
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Re: Geologic Evidence for a Biblical Flood
Sun, April 12, 2009 - 2:23 PM>>"if there is a shred of it anyone knows about, i'd like to hear it."<<
I have a Master's degree in geology/sedimentology and have worked in the oil industry as a geologist for over thirty years. In my experience there is no sedimentary record of a global flood, as described in the bible. I do not not believe that if there had been such a flood there would necessarily be any record of it. Simply covering the earth with water is not likely to erode or transport very much sediment in one year's time. The strongest signal might be a layer of mud stirred up and settled out all over the planet, but this is likely to be thin and quite likely to be reworked by sedimentary processes after the flood ended. The same would be true for any coarser grained deposits. Hurricanes can stir up lots of sediment and move and deposit a lot, but longer term coastal processes will rework all this and over time any evidences of hurricanes tend to disappear or blend in with the sediments formed by hurricanes. The same would be true of a global flood. Young Earth Creationists have created something they call flood geology which essentially attempts to explain all sedimentary deposits as the result of Noah's flood. This is probably the most absurd set of ideas ever conceived, as there are no geologic deposits that fit the global flood model and the vast array of different sedimentary deposits we know about cannot be explained in even the remotest way by these models. -
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Re: Geologic Evidence for a Biblical Flood
Mon, April 13, 2009 - 8:48 AMThank you
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Re: Geologic Evidence for a Biblical Flood
Mon, April 13, 2009 - 8:51 AMInstead of trying to taylor evidence to their crazy ideas, they should find the evidence, and wherever it leads, so be it. -
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Re: Geologic Evidence for a Biblical Flood
Mon, April 13, 2009 - 10:07 AMThanos,
One would hope that would be the case. Unfortunately it isn't.
One of the web sites I'm continually monitoring is the site Creation in Genesis which masks its creationist mythology in a veil of faux scientific legitimacy. They've even invented a new term for the flood myth ('Noachian' or 'Noachian inundation')
There's some pretty phenomenal examples of contempt towards real science and the scientific method. Make sure you wear high boots before wondering into this sort of intellectual offal.
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Re: Geologic Evidence for a Biblical Flood
Mon, April 13, 2009 - 4:25 PMI thought Noachian was an older term, contemporaneous with the four humors, bleeding to cure fevers, and tasting pee to determine a patient's ailment. I thought I read something about pre-Enlightenment scientists (I suppose they were called natural philosophers back then) having fits trying to explain how all Europe's sed strata formed during the Noachian Inundation. Even with their primitive instrumentation they knew the evidence didn't square with the myth. -
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Re: Geologic Evidence for a Biblical Flood
Mon, April 13, 2009 - 11:07 PMI'll have to echo Rene on this one, as an engineering geologist with 20 years experience dealing with soil and rock stratigraphy, I've never seen ANYTHING that would make me consider the biblical myth of Noah.
Creationism/Intelligent Design/Anti-Evolution is all the same.....secondhand drivel postulated and promoted by fundamentalists who let their faith interfere with their reason.
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